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Taylor Mali speaks on what teachers make - Taylor Mali speaks on Education: The importance of proofreading, Like, You know. Taylor Mali's Website.
Love it! Saw him do "What teachers make" on Def Poetry a few years ago and it was probably the best performance I ever saw on that show (granted, the show was always a very mixed bag).
Going to start showing "The The Impotence of Proofreading" to my freshman comp classes.
posted by papakwanz at 1:13 PM on July 15, 2007
Going to start showing "The The Impotence of Proofreading" to my freshman comp classes.
posted by papakwanz at 1:13 PM on July 15, 2007
That first video gave me chills.
And, yes, proofreading is very important. A few summers ago, I was teaching reading at USF in Tampa and saw a flyer for a party that said, "Drinks, Dancing, Raping."
Please, kids, remember to double that ending consonant or no one will show up to your party.
posted by inconsequentialist at 1:14 PM on July 15, 2007 [3 favorites]
And, yes, proofreading is very important. A few summers ago, I was teaching reading at USF in Tampa and saw a flyer for a party that said, "Drinks, Dancing, Raping."
Please, kids, remember to double that ending consonant or no one will show up to your party.
posted by inconsequentialist at 1:14 PM on July 15, 2007 [3 favorites]
...remember to double that ending consonant or no one will show up to your party.
Your view of humanity must be a lot more optimistic than mine. That party would be packed.
posted by ethnomethodologist at 1:17 PM on July 15, 2007 [2 favorites]
Your view of humanity must be a lot more optimistic than mine. That party would be packed.
posted by ethnomethodologist at 1:17 PM on July 15, 2007 [2 favorites]
Maybe only funny to people who've heard lots of slam poetry: How to Write a Political Poem
posted by roll truck roll at 1:19 PM on July 15, 2007
posted by roll truck roll at 1:19 PM on July 15, 2007
Awsome! Also I just lost my comma not that I knew how to use it..
posted by Chuckles at 1:20 PM on July 15, 2007
posted by Chuckles at 1:20 PM on July 15, 2007
It's not a typo, it's an easter egg.
^
copy-pasted. I would have used [small] but < is broken too..
posted by Chuckles at 1:32 PM on July 15, 2007
^
copy-pasted. I would have used [small] but < is broken too..
posted by Chuckles at 1:32 PM on July 15, 2007
Slam poets sure like caking on the irony. He seems to do it well, though.
posted by spiderskull at 1:38 PM on July 15, 2007
posted by spiderskull at 1:38 PM on July 15, 2007
roll truck roll: Thanks for that video! Someone had told me about that one before, glad to finally find it.
posted by papakwanz at 1:59 PM on July 15, 2007
posted by papakwanz at 1:59 PM on July 15, 2007
Superb. Thanks.
posted by Turtles all the way down at 2:15 PM on July 15, 2007
posted by Turtles all the way down at 2:15 PM on July 15, 2007
In case you hadn't realized, it has somehow become uncool to sound like you know what you're talking about?
posted by maudlin at 2:19 PM on July 15, 2007 [2 favorites]
posted by maudlin at 2:19 PM on July 15, 2007 [2 favorites]
I think we're all missing the key fact--as a teacher, he earns very little money. This makes him an intrinsically bad person.
Remember, kids: if you're not making at least 85k a year, you don't exist.
posted by Deathalicious at 2:34 PM on July 15, 2007 [1 favorite]
Remember, kids: if you're not making at least 85k a year, you don't exist.
posted by Deathalicious at 2:34 PM on July 15, 2007 [1 favorite]
Good stuff--it sure is nice to see someone making sense, and speaking with passion. I didn't know his work, thanks for the post!
posted by LooseFilter at 2:47 PM on July 15, 2007
posted by LooseFilter at 2:47 PM on July 15, 2007
Thank you, this is a great post! (Yes, that was written with conviction.)
posted by snsranch at 4:09 PM on July 15, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by snsranch at 4:09 PM on July 15, 2007 [1 favorite]
I think I'm in love.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:13 PM on July 15, 2007
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:13 PM on July 15, 2007
Happiness is a successful FPP. Glad you guys liked it.
posted by Mr.Encyclopedia at 4:25 PM on July 15, 2007
posted by Mr.Encyclopedia at 4:25 PM on July 15, 2007
I used to think the teacher's union was great, until the reason my borderline child could not get special ed was because the teachers pushed back so hard about having to do the extra work that the district decided to get far more restrictive than all the neighboring districts. I thought, at first, no, this can not really be the case. Those other parents are just complainers. Then I heard it from not one, but nearly a half dozen teachers. The NEA and the NJEA can go suck eggs. They care about themselves first, kids second. I understand the plight of teachers, but their unions are to be broken and I will always vote against their interests.
posted by caddis at 4:43 PM on July 15, 2007 [2 favorites]
posted by caddis at 4:43 PM on July 15, 2007 [2 favorites]
Thank you very much for this post.
posted by anotherpanacea at 4:55 PM on July 15, 2007
posted by anotherpanacea at 4:55 PM on July 15, 2007
That was an excellent introduction to his stuff, thanks! I'm thinking about a career change into teaching and that was inspiring.
posted by pywacket at 4:56 PM on July 15, 2007
posted by pywacket at 4:56 PM on July 15, 2007
Here's the animated version of "what teachers make".
posted by about_time at 5:06 PM on July 15, 2007
posted by about_time at 5:06 PM on July 15, 2007
Why, oh why, won't YouTube links just frickin' work when I click on 'em here in the blue?
That was amazing. I grieve anew that I got talked out becoming a teacher. And I've managed never to know anything about this Mali guy until now, a shortcoming I'm eager to rectify.
posted by pax digita at 5:10 PM on July 15, 2007
That was amazing. I grieve anew that I got talked out becoming a teacher. And I've managed never to know anything about this Mali guy until now, a shortcoming I'm eager to rectify.
posted by pax digita at 5:10 PM on July 15, 2007
pywacket, be sure to click on the "1000 Teachers" link on his web site.
posted by winston at 5:21 PM on July 15, 2007
posted by winston at 5:21 PM on July 15, 2007
He was in the documentary SlamNation in 1998 with, among others muMs da Schemer from Oz.
posted by i love cheese at 5:51 PM on July 15, 2007
posted by i love cheese at 5:51 PM on July 15, 2007
worskshops
That's not a typo. He's quoting Popeye.
posted by Faint of Butt at 6:53 PM on July 15, 2007 [1 favorite]
That's not a typo. He's quoting Popeye.
posted by Faint of Butt at 6:53 PM on July 15, 2007 [1 favorite]
I always wanted to be a teacher. But those effing blow-hards in my jr. college just blew it for me. They were just assholes and I didn't have it in me to hang in there.
I get my "teaching" fix vicariously through my wife, and by volunteering at her school.
I do believe in public education.
(this is teacher wife, Mrs. snsranch, writing now...)
My school is living proof that it works. Privatization? NO. Unions? They support me, so there it is.
Should teachers be paid more? I say NO! Teachers do not want to get paid more. It is NOT about money. If you ask a teacher and they disagree, then they are in it for the wrong reason.
Is there a "culture of complaining" within the education community? It depends on the community. Find a quality public school (and there are many) and you will find positive, optimistic people.
If they are complaning, they SUCK.
Most people will find this post incredulous. Pessimism abounds. Thank God I have a supportive husband. He hears all of my stories from school and tells me what a great job I am doing with kids.
After all, it is all about the fucking KIDS!!!
posted by snsranch at 7:19 PM on July 15, 2007 [1 favorite]
I get my "teaching" fix vicariously through my wife, and by volunteering at her school.
I do believe in public education.
(this is teacher wife, Mrs. snsranch, writing now...)
My school is living proof that it works. Privatization? NO. Unions? They support me, so there it is.
Should teachers be paid more? I say NO! Teachers do not want to get paid more. It is NOT about money. If you ask a teacher and they disagree, then they are in it for the wrong reason.
Is there a "culture of complaining" within the education community? It depends on the community. Find a quality public school (and there are many) and you will find positive, optimistic people.
If they are complaning, they SUCK.
Most people will find this post incredulous. Pessimism abounds. Thank God I have a supportive husband. He hears all of my stories from school and tells me what a great job I am doing with kids.
After all, it is all about the fucking KIDS!!!
posted by snsranch at 7:19 PM on July 15, 2007 [1 favorite]
Most people will find this post incredulous.
Repeated for emphasis and errata. Will you people please take your arguments about unions and merit pay to metatalk? This is poetry, damn it.
posted by anotherpanacea at 7:46 PM on July 15, 2007
Repeated for emphasis and errata. Will you people please take your arguments about unions and merit pay to metatalk? This is poetry, damn it.
posted by anotherpanacea at 7:46 PM on July 15, 2007
I really enjoyed this, thanks. Never heard of the guy, but found these bits inspiring.
posted by sharpener at 8:49 PM on July 15, 2007
posted by sharpener at 8:49 PM on July 15, 2007
Someone I know very well went to grad school with Mali. He taught for a few years at a private school then quit to be a "poet". The "difference" he made was for prep school kids who were going to have a great education anyway. He is a trust fund baby who never worked hard in his life, but like all great academic dilettantes, has learned to champion the underclasses for authenticity. He writes glurge/spam-like poems that look more like something from Reader's Digest than anything resembling literature. He takes grants that others could use (you know, actual starving artists) for his work. The grand teaching opus and "The Impotence of Proofreading" were written in grad school years ago, he still flogs those like a dead horse.
Sorry to harsh the mellow here, but his schtick and shit sucks. Hack, with a capital "h" and a lot of phlegm.
posted by sleepy pete at 8:57 PM on July 15, 2007 [4 favorites]
Sorry to harsh the mellow here, but his schtick and shit sucks. Hack, with a capital "h" and a lot of phlegm.
posted by sleepy pete at 8:57 PM on July 15, 2007 [4 favorites]
Sorry to harsh the mellow here
Seriously, that was pretty harsh. I wondered that all his teaching shots were of him in front of white kids, though. The poem plays with the idea that the poet is the teacher depicted, but I guess it doesn't require that fact. It still works (for me) as Hallmark inspiration, which I kind of enjoy sometimes. Just don't give it grants.
It should be noted that his ironic critiques of slam poetry, especially the faux-deep and outrage stuff, is quite above par, regardless of the personality of the author. "How to Write a Political Poem" and "I Could be a Poet" both do a good job eviscerating the common tropes and asking for a new direction in that genre.
Forgetting the teaching thing for a second, I like this one/ It does what poetry is really supposed to do, which is to put language on display rather than allowing it to secretly shape our world.
posted by anotherpanacea at 9:21 PM on July 15, 2007
Seriously, that was pretty harsh. I wondered that all his teaching shots were of him in front of white kids, though. The poem plays with the idea that the poet is the teacher depicted, but I guess it doesn't require that fact. It still works (for me) as Hallmark inspiration, which I kind of enjoy sometimes. Just don't give it grants.
It should be noted that his ironic critiques of slam poetry, especially the faux-deep and outrage stuff, is quite above par, regardless of the personality of the author. "How to Write a Political Poem" and "I Could be a Poet" both do a good job eviscerating the common tropes and asking for a new direction in that genre.
Forgetting the teaching thing for a second, I like this one/ It does what poetry is really supposed to do, which is to put language on display rather than allowing it to secretly shape our world.
posted by anotherpanacea at 9:21 PM on July 15, 2007
but like all great academic dilettantes, has learned to champion the underclasses for authenticity.
[...]
He takes grants that others could use (you know, actual starving artists) for his work.
That's a little ironic.
posted by roll truck roll at 11:33 PM on July 15, 2007
[...]
He takes grants that others could use (you know, actual starving artists) for his work.
That's a little ironic.
posted by roll truck roll at 11:33 PM on July 15, 2007
Mali is an interesting figure in the slam poetry world. I think he's now "retired," though that may have changed. It's alluded to a little bit in Slam Nation, but he's much more calculated than most slam poets. Most poets (and I'm generalizing a lot here) are in it for the poetry. This is enhanced by the fact that each competition in a standard slam is judged by "schmos," 5 people pulled at random from the audience. Mali is calculated; he keeps stats on who competes in what order and what poems they perform. He's in these to WIN.
He has some good poems, but I prefer a number of other poets.
posted by craven_morhead at 7:58 AM on July 16, 2007
He has some good poems, but I prefer a number of other poets.
posted by craven_morhead at 7:58 AM on July 16, 2007
Mali still competes, but just not as well as he used to...*delightfully awaiting Slam Nationals the first week of August in Austin, TX* be there or be oh so square-ish.
posted by psylosyren at 2:22 PM on July 16, 2007
posted by psylosyren at 2:22 PM on July 16, 2007
sleepy pete, please, by all means, harsh the mellow. If what you're saying is true, and I have NO reason to doubt you, then thanks for the info. I still have to applaud the guy for talking about teachers and language etc.
Where the hell is languagehat? I wanna hear his take on this.
the_bone! Man, you have my sympathy and support. Thank you for, even though you are NOT paid enough, being a teacher! I just shared your comment with Mrs. SNS and she concedes. On her behalf, I have to say that she works in one of the most economically depressed neighborhoods in our region and as a result she is fueled mostly by enthusiasm and all of the "intrinsic rewards" you mentioned. Kudos to you. HIGHER PAY FOR TEACHERS DAMMIT!!!
posted by snsranch at 5:12 PM on July 16, 2007 [1 favorite]
Where the hell is languagehat? I wanna hear his take on this.
the_bone! Man, you have my sympathy and support. Thank you for, even though you are NOT paid enough, being a teacher! I just shared your comment with Mrs. SNS and she concedes. On her behalf, I have to say that she works in one of the most economically depressed neighborhoods in our region and as a result she is fueled mostly by enthusiasm and all of the "intrinsic rewards" you mentioned. Kudos to you. HIGHER PAY FOR TEACHERS DAMMIT!!!
posted by snsranch at 5:12 PM on July 16, 2007 [1 favorite]
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